ââSo ESPN takes more games than the current contractual obligation and uses them in the late window. âMHver3 on Twitter: "CU and AZ are NOT worried about exposure by joining B12 as most if their games would be lye window games so that report is most likely coming from Utah or AZSU. Evening tidbit: as of todayâs meeting BY had with networks, any combination of 4 of the following schools (all sports) will be acceptable for ESPN and FOX to pay. Fox already approved pro-rata for both. one president is telling B12 contacts that there is a feeling GK will ask for an extension on the 4/15 deadline We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. Heâs also telling me the big catch with the apple deal would be research grants to member schools-an area apple has been historically lagging behind other tech companies. The BYU factorâInterestingly enough Stanford and Cal would not be part of this proposed merger. âSome drips of info hitting the bucket. This will be my last tweet for a bit. Finger pointing, yelling amongst leadership, and very pissed at ESPN for the hit piece on their conference while they are supposed to be negotiating in good faith. MHver3 @MHver3. But it was requested by the source who shared the info with me. Appx $75m per year. one president is telling B12 contacts that there is a feeling GK. ââ@ChrisRPhillips B10 dreams for Oregon and Washington left and went to the Bears in Chicago. One that seems to have a lot of steam is that Pac12 and Big12 leadership will be meeting Tuesday to discuss a full-on merger. 19. CBS and NBC expected to be huge players for the next B12 contract in addition to ESPN and FoxâWe would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. Oh btw there is an AZ board of regents. That will never happen because these additions are based on valuation metrics. âBedtime snippet: Iâve been exchanging DMs with someone employed at a P12 athletic department. @m_iguel_ca. Half of that is what espn wants to buy for the B12 network. âThe Buffs are an inevitability now. There are some trying to angle SDSU or even Fresno as an alt travel partner for Stanford but the metrics show Cal is actually more desirable to tv partnersâKliavkoff is still trying to leverage more $ from ESPN but they are so far apart (allegedly almost $200m per year) that some at ESPN have told people in the B12 that Kliavkoff seems to be either desperate or cluelessThings arenât blowing up just yetâŠBUTâŠColorado is having another meeting tomorrow to continue down the road of departing the PAC. Look for a thread soon. What Iâm hearing on PAC media deal (or lack thereof) from a B12 source based on B12 talks with a PAC school. Gonzaga is in for basketball. Also heard from a source today that someone in Colorado leadership told B12 that if Apple was going to save the Pac12 it wouldâve been announced todayâŠMy source (who is talking to an AD at a pac school) says the deal with Espn/Amazon is worth $220m a year. 3. ACCN/Pac12N broadcasting agreement talks fell apart when the Comcast Pac12 scandal broke. Likes. â@BIG10Bruin When did I say we werenât getting some combination of the 4 corner schools. We make more than that currently for all of tier3. Staples: The realignment battle for No. No vote-just the general consensus during a call Iâm told. âSo I was told the proposed breakdown for unequal revenue sharing for PAC. Show more replies. Pac12 can file an injunction if they choose but it would be a slippery slope if they wanted to do that and suspend those teams. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. But simply never happens. ââPAC and ACC leadership have had discussion about an alliance but only if it benefits by getting espn to reopen their tv contract. Nothing will happen until GK presents the deal to Pac12 presidents. Become an Annual VIP member today and get access. ââI donât normally get a lot of MWC rumors but I did get a good one this morning that the MWC is fully expecting the PAC to be either dissolved or weakened severely enough that they fully expect ASU, WSU, OSU and maybe even Utah to be partners in the very near future. @MHver3 This is the case with any conference not named SEC. Corey Wishnia. âUconn is going to win the championship. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. Once again I return from a long absence and bring you info. @cwishn. It did ok. ACC adding west coast schools could severely affect B12 expansion plan because its really just about that late window. â@DwayneF77 Iâll say it one more time. If the ND/Big 12/NBC rumors have any truth to them, I imagine the Big 12 became even more attractive for those schools. Half of that is what espn wants to buy for the B12 network. Mountaineer Steve. AZ has not been completely vetted like the other two but since they are current P5 B12 would get Prorata. Quote Tweets. ALT. A playoff appearance by OKST or Baylor or KSU would change the calculus quite a bit. Power5 (or 4) will most likely have an autobid for their champ after playoffs expand. 6. Posted on 37 mins, V I P, User Since 8 months ago, User Post Count: 670. Hearing that GK is telling some of the PAC presidents that he may not have any new developments in the tv negotiations to present at next weeks meeting. Talks are indeed dead for a merger. #PACinShamblesââACC hoped that by getting Stanford it would compel ND to join. 2. âOn the eve of a significant B12 meeting got a few tidbits to offer up. Up to 75% would be streaming. I did want to take a minute to share a few things though. 30 Mar 2023 18:54:47Gonna say it again for everyone in the back playing with graphs and charts on Excel: Fox has already approved pro rata for the B12 to add specific teams so they will not get âonly $20mâ they will get the full share. ââAlright! Got the go ahead to post it. GIF. GOR have teeth even for powerful schools. 4. âJust wanted to pop in and drop off some WVU related info. Things have escalated. âThank you to everyone for your words of support as my family deals with the loss of a very close loved one. 13. It got nasty from what Iâve been told. ââLots of tidbits and rumors pouring in today. If it takes their exit for Cal, Stan, Utah,. Previous offer for 24. âAnd whatâs interesting as well is my B1G source is telling me if ND decides to join B1G then Stanford is the desired partner to come with ND and they will stop there for possibly forever. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. @MHver3 Big12 is possibly only eyeing 4 of the 6 to stop at 16 for now. âLet tidbit of the evening: Big12 currently has 20 schools in contact with them regarding membership discussions in various phases of progression. ââSince everyone is regurgitating Mandelâs garbage today allow me one last time to explain why the ratings donât matter here and are in fact flawed. @MHver3. @MHver3. âSee new Tweets. MHver3. âLog in. We are indeed talking to Rich Rodriguez to return to WVU but as of now itâs only talks. 3:14 AM · Jul 24, 2021. âAnd the killer for Utah is that even tough they are valued in the top half the one Power conference that they have a shot at may not really want them because they have a school in that market and lower valued schools like AZ are actually higher valued to B12. I do think the basement for some PAC schools is $28m net per school with at least 50% linear. B12 has a chance to get into 20m households with additions. âLog in. 2. Thatâs all Iâve got. Not sure whatâs going on there yet-just hearing preliminary info-but hearing it from multiple sources. Meanwhile ND maneuvered their way to a sweetheart deal with ACC and was able to leave the faltering BIgEast. @MHver3 FWIW my sources are telling me that FOX is NOT actively negotiating with PAC. âThose of you worrying about access to playoffs due to harder due to W/L record if B12 drops scheduling FCS and moved to 10 conference games-relax. ââ@MHver3 If UA and CU aren't stepping up to the plate and contributing their fair $$$ share to the PAC, it's hard to see how they'll suddenly become valuable assets for the Big 12. (Ralph Freso / Associated Press) Sources say preliminary talks have started on a merger between San Diego Stateâs current conference and the Pac-12, which is in. ACC adding west coast schools could severely affect B12 expansion plan because its really just about that late window. All 3 tiers. Also-though much quieter-there will be some zig-Zagging happening this week as well Iâm my home state. ConversationReports that Pac12 is assessing SDSU and SMU are old news that many have known since USC and UCLA bolted. But itâs looking like B12 needs to make the next move. Guess the state of AZ to BIG12 has died down though. help. Houston and BYU applications are in. âSo this was considered sensitive info for awhile but the silence of these 2 universities is about to be over. Replying to @Tomkatf14. 9. St Johns has trouble competing in the Big East and would be over their head in the Big 12. Huskies have come back to the table. âAnd hearing that Washington State, Oregon State, and Cal have reached out to the Mountain West to talk about a landing spot. 3. MHver3 @MHver3 Hearing from B12 contacts in communication with Pac12 contacts that AZ and Colorado have NOT committed to signing a GOR and will not agree to sign one without a complete deal in front of them that is equitable and on par with B12/ACC. Retweets. Who stands to benefit the most?â@USFBullTampaBuc They shouldâve built these a decade ago. ââIf Stanford would come they wouldnât want to be the only CA school but Cal is not a good fit for B12 at all in so many ways. They could very well join the four south schools in the B12⊠until the B1G change their mind. As well as ESPN about triggering the reopening of their contract in the event of additions. Could also mean ND is rethinking. MHver3 @MHver3. 11. To read this post and more, One Month for Only $1. and @Mountaineer_Ste. This meeting is supposed to introduce a ânewâ interested party to possibly sell their Tier 2 package to for a higher rate than what Amazon is offering. There. AZ too. Things are getting crazy!ââAnd the endgame is probably 16 teams. There. As soon as Iâm allowed to itâll be up. Look for a thread soon. 22 Feb 2023 21:50:26Reposting this again at the request of my source with alternate phrasing: Colorado board will meet Monday to informally poll where votes would lie for leaving PAC. My source says B10 wonât expand until at least new commissioner has been hired but this option was discussed at a recent B10. The Big East commissioner ran the conference like a basketball conference and treated football as a second class citizen, which is why Miami, VT, Boston College then WVU, Pitt and Syracuse left. Cliff notes of meetings: Colorado will rejoin the B12. And there are ongoing discussions on how that money could be generated through selling the extra inventory. Ugh. ââ@mikednfl Absolutely. â@BobOThomson Yes. Iâd prefer B12 waits for eventual ACC poaching and go and get our old BIgEast mates. 8 of them are Power5 schools located west of Texas. Looks like their fate is in Amazonâs hands. ââWould a LHN converted into the B12 network, a 20 year Sugar Bowl contract and a guarantee of 8 SEC OOC games per year for 10 years be enough of a carrot for B12 to allow TXOU out early with only the exit fee penalty?ââOregon and Washington want to wait out the 30 day window on the exclusive period for Fox and espn to renegotiate Pac12 contract before making a decision on B12 application. Boise. Thatâs only 4 million less than SEC. Shouldnât be an issue since these are not revenue sports. But the upside of not paying for production for PACN and the possibility of additional revenues for leased games could see the deal approach the low $20m per team. 4. âWe would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. Air Force and Colorado State have also been in contact with Kliavkoff. It was $24. 19 Feb 2023 01:05:52We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. 21. Still waiting on my main source to give me the go ahead to share. â ACC again proposed an aggressive expansion to 20 teams and has been talking with OR/WA/Stanford/and Cal. âJust heard from a source that Oregon has reached out to the B12 about potential membership with the condition they have a negotiated out of the GOR if the B10 comes calling. Sign upâ@tsaundry13 Too early to tell. @MHver3. I said AAC (not ACC) invited PAC members. As the Pac-12 deals with losing UCLA and USC to the Big Ten and the Big 12 explores a raid on the Pac-12, audience data can be instructive. MHver3. @MHver3 BYU will raise that profile as they would come in and immediately be at least the second most valuable media rights member behind KU (as much as I hate that) due to their worldwide following. Sign upâSo with those for and the state schools (assuming Utah and AZSU get B12 invites) you have a core of 6. . âThe apple deal would see apple absorb the production costs of all the games and give them the option to sub lease games to other networks and split additional revenues with the conference. MHver3. 19 Jul 2023 04:22:28. Gonzaga is in for basketball. 4:22 AM · Jul 19, 2023. However UConn and Nova can make a case for being in that discussion. Taking the four will crush the P12. ââGoing by remarks made at Pac12 media days by Oregon its looking like they are leaning into to shorter term offer from espn and unequal revenue sharing. âAlso hearing TCU and Texas Tech plan on pulling out of games scheduled with Oregon and Stanford if Pac12 goes all streaming out of visibility concerns for the pac owned games. But again, aside from Rutgers going to B10, Pitt had the most room for improvement. Without the additions the show could very well be on the other foot right now. UConn is still in the air as there could maybe be an all sports invite coming if the right circumstances occur but may be a bball only. See new TweetsâAnd B12 may just add those 3 and stop and wait to see what happens 5-10 years from now. Tweet about Oregon and Washington 1,843 Views | 20 Replies | Last: 3 mo ago by historian ScottS 2:44p, 7/27/23 Breaking from my source: Oregon and. Likes. Feel like FSU is the most vocal because they are the most edge case in the ACC. Someone mentioned the Saudis last night on here-might be a good option. They are content to sit at 16 and wait out Notre Dame. âRUMOR: Pac12 offer from ESPN: $220 million per year, no expansion. Once again itâs in the media a few days later:. More interesting news is that OR and UW may not be a shoe-in for the B1G. Even if espn is trying to call this something else (licensing fee for streaming content)âWe would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. If 4 teams get taken from the ACC by the Power 2, there is a good chance FSU is not one of them. Oils be basketball/Olympic only additions before that happens though. Tomorrows another day!âThis merger would trigger pro-rata for espn contract and allow fox to reopen their contract-Amazon could be a part of this as well from what Iâm hearing. 6. Current Pac10 members are looking at about $200-$250m per year on the open market. 7. I have heard that if WA and OR stay that that could possibly keep Stanford and Cal in the fold-Iâve also heard Stanford is very close to going Indy. Iâd be thrilled if Colorado and Arizona came. ConversationWe would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. Boise State is making a lot of noise wanting B12 to reopen their application. â The latest tweets from @MHver3@MHver3 It is expected that tonight, Az and CU leadership will officially sign off on moving forward with officially applying for membership with Big12. His rumors are interesting and just believable enough ,. Likes. ââ@kiwicanuck76 Iâm told itâs because the conference has 4 states and 8 schools on their no travel list. 13 Apr 2023 02:07:57 @MHver3 They're all signing a shorter GoR, it's not so much giving up as letting the landscape settle and use the time to build their best case to join on the field. The only 2 schools in the PAC that B12 has had no open dialogue with are the Cali schools. The BIG12 would be stupid to go. Sign upSee new Tweets. âLog in. 2:49 AM · Jul 19, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. 13. @MHver3 If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and itâs driving $ higher. 16 Jul 2023 00:27:09. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. You ready for this? Oregon/Washington 16. By my count there are 3 "Yes" teams in the ACC and 3 "Maybe" teams. 1:39 AM · Mar 18, 2023. It actually decreases it. Thanks for the heads up from those of you who wrote me. Better than all 4 Four Corners schools. Staples: The realignment battle for No. Pac12 additions in all sports are priority number 1. Throwing darts at walls still, MHVer3?@MHver3. At least for the next 6-8 years. @MHver3 The worst-case scenario for WVU, of course, is the Big 10 standing pat and the Pac 12, still with UW and ORE, picking off several Big 12 teams and leaving the rest of the Big 12 in the wilderness. PAC media: Hearing that no concrete numbers were presented and that the mystery partner that was coming back to the table was ION. â We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. The PAC show of unity tweetâŠ. âAlso as part of this deal ESPN would pay Oregon and Washington an additional $15 million per year for the trade off of playing 2 ACC teams per year. I donât hate the PAC. Sign upâBig rumor! Notre Dame has allegedly made the ACC an offer they canât accept to join that conference in all sports. 19. @MHver3. âACC again proposed an aggressive expansion to 20 teams and has been talking with OR/WA/Stanford/and Cal. I donât think thatâs an option for us. If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and itâs driving $ higher. @MHver3 Stanford has basically said to B10: pay us our actual value vs what the bloated equal share of the big pie would be. 2. Idea:âŠPls tweet what the time will in 5The soon to be PAC defections are âon the precipiceâ of sealing the deal. Hearing that GK is telling some of the PAC presidents that he may not have any new developments in the tv negotiations to present at next weeks meeting. Top to bottom though this new B12 would be the best conference ever assembled. Likes. Sign upAt this point thereâs probably more votes of no confidence for Kliavkoff than there are yes votes for SDSU. If acc gets it first then B12 may have no need for further expansion at this time outside of maybe the. Too many lower tier schools in ACC that wonât have a home if that conference blows up. GK is currently trying to Frankenstein a mess of a deal with ESPN getting 1 FB game per week at about $5m per game and 3 BB games per week at about $1m per week. Thereâs so much information to pour through and so many moving pieces that B12 leadership alone canât keep up. 6:21 PM · Jul 5, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. @MHver3. Valuation of per school is higher if omitting 2 of the 6 because the projected media dollars are very similar with or without those 2. Jul 6, 2022. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. 1. The Big 10 should just bring in all the schools in the Pac 10 as a Western division. 5% each. FSU is the most attractive maybe. @MHver3. After months of back and forth, with things really heating up since the NCAA tourney started, looks like BY is very close to getting 2 new members a for B12. @MHver3 But when you factor in possible matchups, multiple time zones, and other data thereâs a strong belief from media consultants that the 6 PAC schools. Murky version is: ducks are in a row but the can is getting kicked down the road. CBS and NBC expected to be huge players for the next B12 contract in addition to ESPN and Foxâ MHver3 @MHver3 One final tidbit this afternoon:PAC is currently trying to be as attractive as they can while they see what their media rights could be if they stayed together. â@vikingburner Seton Hall is no longer an option. Knight felt it was the best outcome for Oregon and the PAC with no B1G offer coming. and. Would the B12 take them?âSources telling me B12 plans to extend acceptance to Gonzaga following the NCAA tournament. OMG I was wrong. Sign upâ60 seconds to PACmidnight. 11:22 PM · Jul 20, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. 26 Mar 2023 03:01:53Ah-hereâs where the subscriber metrics come into play for Apple TV deal: subscription service add on that would see a majority of the baseball games, half the basketball games, and some football games locked behind a paywall. Likes. How to create a thread on Twitter and how to view. Iâm being told there will be a Big12 meeting that evening that could potentially have huge ramifications for the Big12 and the college sports landscape in general. ââ@Lake_Cowboy @KDVanderpool We had a good one with TX. 159. âEspn is telling B12 through back channels that they would like to broker a deal to convert LHN into a Big12 network and secure all of B12 tier 3 rights for 7 years. They are looking at 1. âExpansion notes thread since some of these are all over the place I thought Iâd just consolidate into one place. PAC media: Hearing that no concrete numbers were presented and that the mystery partner that was coming back to the table was ION. @MHver3 CU board is in lockstep to pursue B12 membership if GK doesnât come through with promised deal by June 30thâŠ. @MHver3 So if B1G Stops, then it seems the most likely outcome is the B12 raids the remaining members. ââHow BIgEast conferenceâs demise as a power conference is playing a role in Big12âs current thought process regarding expansion, tv contract, and GOR. The other $5m is from a variety of different T3 revenue streams. Log in. Even an Oregon and a Washington together donât increase the pie enough to bring up the per school payout. and @TheAPBerry. Also the FB CCG. Gonna say it again for everyone in the back playing with graphs and charts on Excel: Fox has already approved pro rata for the B12 to add specific teams so they will not get âonly $20mâ they will get the full share. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. This meeting is supposed to introduce a ânewâ interested party to possibly sell their Tier 2 package to for a higher rate than what Amazon is offering. @MHver3. Washington has now reached out to the B12 about membership options that include an out of the GOR for B10 membership. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. Thatâs all Iâve got. @MHver3 17h Amazon only wants the top game every week fb and bb from the PAC12 and is offering $100m a year for 2 years with an option for 2 more years and a review of the terms if the viewership is there. â@DwayneF77 Iâll say it one more time. OKST has been too one sided lately to be a rivalry-hopefully we can change that. âLet tidbit of the evening: Big12 currently has 20 schools in contact with them regarding membership discussions in various phases of progression. Apple offer could be months away-Apple moving slowly and it could be as late as July for negotiations. Something new that moves forward and forgets the past. Learn more. âI think what we are seeing is that the deep fractures in the PAC are leading to schools feeling out all options trying to formulate back up plans. Hence why Texas and OU are staying until 2025. Most of it was in depth financials done by our media consultants. Likes. Replying to . If acc gets it first then B12 may have no need for further expansion at this time outside of maybe the AZ schools (because there is value in those markets) MHver3 @MHver3 GK is currently trying to Frankenstein a mess of a deal with ESPN getting 1 FB game per week at about $5m per game and 3 BB games per week at about $1m per week. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. ·. I donât normally delete anything. Take it with a grain of salt-not my usual source. âYou canât make this stuff up! (Though I will be accused of it anyway đ). Replying to @MHver3. 23. Iâd prefer B12 waits for eventual ACC poaching and go and get our old BIgEast mates. âLog in. AZ has not been completely vetted like the other two but since they are current P5 B12 would get Prorata. âAs I type this the Arizona schools are discussing exit strategy and AZ is making their case for autonomy to decide conference affiliation (in case they are the only one that gets an invite). Rumors swirling today that there may be merger talks brewing between Pac12 and Big12 again. ââThe first show to drop was Notre Dame and NBC and the whole âshoulder programmingâ proposal. Of course âofficial sourcesâ are going to downplay the significance of any talks schools have had Witt other conferences BY has allegedly been engaged all evening with 1 particular school to the west. Their fans are this nasty-imagine how bad it is between the schools right now. The other $5m is from a variety of different T3 revenue streams. Hearing ESPN is taking (or already has taken) their $250m total package offer to the Pac12 off the table. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. Memphis and Boise(FB only) are definitely the front runners. ââ@GibeiiBrewsong @USAdebtcrisis I say 6 are leaving but ORWA will try to keep them all together under the ridiculous uneven revenue sharing model espn is pushing but that will not sit with the 4 corners schools and they will bolt which will lead to ORWA bolting as well. And they all already know the current numbers. ââJust heard that Yormark meeting with Knight was basically Knight pleading to Yormark to keep the merger talks going and make it happen. 1 â and for No. Sign upâ@ChiefsInsider Thereâs a legitimate academic snobbery by the presidents and they are trying their damndest to go down with the ship. Some in the PAC are trying to push a couple of the others out in an effort to add 2 âbetterâ markets for tv and recruiting without increasing the mouths to feed. No one has control. MHver3 @MHver3. Sign upThe source that gave me this info said if Apple does pull out of PAC negotiations then it puts PAC in a very bad position and may have to settle for far less money than even the smallest estimates that have leaked. Sign upâTonightâs Big12 vote isnât to invite schools. MHver3. You are just regurgitating what you see on your twitter TL. PAC will just expand with lesser brands and pay those schools peanuts to feed ORWA more for the duration of the next deal and then maybe B10 will come calling. Thereâs no reason to add anyone else to dilute the tv money just to have an even number. Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and one other might be. Ed. We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. 3. Big Papa RockChalkPac voted on SDSU and SMU again. ââGot some clarification on those Pac12 bylaws from my regular B12 source: leaving teams only forfeit revenues if they leave prior to August 2024. Iâm hearing we could see a vote by B12 to add them within the next week or so barring a major development. âColorado doesnât even know where Cal and Stanford truly stand and what their real plan is because so far communication has been lackluster with them. Beating out even the 2004-2011 BIgEast. Gonzaga better fit for Pac. Do you prefer to move to the B10 for the money that you really donât need with Phil Knightâs checkbook-where you will play 2nd fiddle to many? Or do you prefer becoming the top dog in the B12 conference?âWe would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. ââ@blakeblahut @AveCope No. 19 Feb 2023 01:05:52We would like to show you a description here but the site wonât allow us. Amazon gets more first choice. FWIW my sources are telling me that FOX is NOT actively negotiating with PAC. $320m per year for 12 years. Might Washington and Oregon be making the same offer? đ đ đ đ. â@BobOThomson I mean itâd be a fun game to play on Saturdays đ€·đ»ââïž. AZ has and AZSU problem. Phillips had a call this afternoon with Kliavkoff and Yormark/Bowlsby about an alliance of the 3 conferences. "Hearing that UConn is leveraging for an all sports invite from B12âŠand BY and networks are listening. UConn is still in the air as there could maybe be an all sports invite coming if the right circumstances occur but may be a bball only. So that lines up with pretty much every other report coming out except for 1. Utah athletic director Mark Harlan needs just four words to disarm the Arizona-to-Big 12 narrative. âLog in.